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Wyant says carbon tax is about wealth redistribution, not emissions

One of a series of five stories, interviewing each of the candidates running for Sask Party leadership and the position of premier
Gord Wyant
Gord Wyant

Regina 鈥 Gord Wyant, 小蓝视频 for Saskatoon Northwest since 2010, was Saskatchewan鈥檚 Minister of Justice and Attorney General until he announced his intentions to run for the leadership of the Saskatchewan Party, and with it, the position of premier. The long-time Saskatoon lawyer spoke to Pipeline News in Regina on Oct. 5 regarding his energy policy.

Earlier that day, TransCanada announced it was cancelling the Energy East Pipeline project.

Wyant started out by saying, 鈥淎s a province, we have to continue to support the oil and gas industry. It鈥檚 fundamental to our economy. And so, I think, in terms of policy, we need to continue to support the industry. I think it鈥檚 fair to say I鈥檓 not interested in any kind of royalty review. I think having some stability in the oil and gas sector is important, to ensure we continue to have the flow of revenue we need for the province. My perspective, I think, the policy the province has, currently, is the policy we continue to follow as the premier.鈥

鈥淵ou saw what happened in Alberta when they started tampering with royalties. I think we have the Alberta government of the day to thank for some of the enhancements of development in this province. From my perspective, I don鈥檛 think anything needs to change in the industry, especially in that it鈥檚 just starting to recover. It would be the worst time to start thinking about those kinds of things, or to even speculate about thinking about a royalty review. Things are fine the way they are, and they support ongoing development in the industry,鈥 Wyant said.

Could royalties go down? 鈥淭hey could be. I think what we need to do as a government, is ensure we set policy in Regina that is going to be productive as far as the industry is concerned. We certainly don鈥檛 want to see industry leave the province. We don鈥檛 want to see a reduction in the number of wells 小蓝视频 drilled or the number of people working in this industry. We鈥檝e already seen that.

鈥淚 wouldn鈥檛 rule anything out as far as reduction of royalties are concerned, but I think we have to take that all into context.鈥

In discussing the impact of the downturn, he said, 鈥淢y son鈥檚 a geologist, and he鈥檚 not working. And so, a lot of this strikes home to many, many people in this province. I don鈥檛 think you can meet too many people, especially in the southern part of the province, that aren鈥檛 affected by the commodity price reductions. So it affects everyone.鈥

On pipelines, he said, 鈥淭here鈥檚 no question about the fact pipelines are the safest way to move our commodity. I鈥檓 not sure how anyone from this province can speak against pipelines, when you compare the safety record of pipelines to the safety record of transporting it by rail. We need to get our commodities to market. We don鈥檛 have a port here, in this province, so we need to find the most efficient way of getting our products to market, and pipelines are that vehicle. So, in terms of our continued government support of pipeline development in this country, there鈥檚 not going to be any change in policy. This government will continue to advocate for the construction of pipelines, because we need to get our product to tidewater.鈥

Premier Brad Wall had done several trade missions in support of pipelines, and Wyant said he would do the same. 鈥淚 would continue to work on ensuring we can secure export markets, not just for oil, but for other commodities as well.鈥

On Energy East, he said, 鈥淭his is a sad day for Canada. It really is. When you start thinking of a confederation of provinces and territories, and you have these divisions among regions in this country, where one region in this country isn鈥檛 interested in seeing the success of another region of this country, I think it鈥檚 a very dark day for this country.鈥

He was quite angry about Montreal Mayor Dennis Coderre鈥檚 comments about, 鈥淲hat鈥檚 in it for us?鈥

Wyant said, 鈥淭he fact of the matter is, the more successful the province of Saskatchewan is, the more successful the province of Alberta is, the more money there is for equalization. And at the end of the day, it鈥檚 Quebec that鈥檚 the big benefactor of equalization. So why a province or a mayor of a large Canadian city wouldn鈥檛 want to see a province like Saskatchewan be economically successful, by getting its product to market, it just baffles me. I don鈥檛 understand it at all, especially a guy who pumps millions of litres of sewage into the St. Lawrence, and he鈥檚 worried about our oil.鈥

鈥淔or the National Energy Board to change the rules about upstream and downstream carbon, it baffles me. I don鈥檛 understand it,鈥 he added, wondering why an energy self-sufficient nation is importing oil.

鈥淚f they鈥檙e going to say 鈥榥o鈥 to pipelines, when are they going to say 鈥榥o鈥 to trains? They鈥檙e much more dangerous when it comes to the transportation of oil, so when are we going to start saying 鈥榥o鈥 to trains? I gotta tell you, if environmentalists get their way, there鈥檚 going to be more and more and more regulation on the transport of oil across our rails. It鈥檚 going to be more and more expensive, and it鈥檚 going to have more and more impact on the economy of this province.鈥

When it comes to carbon capture, Wyant said he was minster responsible for SaskPower, but not when the decision was made to go ahead with the Boundary Dam Unit 3 Carbon Capture and Storage Project. 鈥淐arbon capture is part of the solution. We made some commitments at SaskPower to reduce carbon emissions by 40 per cent by 2030, and to go 50 per cent renewables in this province by 2030. So we have set some pretty aggressive timelines for ourselves.

鈥淐arbon capture is part of this. We鈥檝e got an industry in southeast Saskatchewan that is important to the economy of Saskatchewan in terms of coal and things. We鈥檝e got some obligations, in terms of economy, in that part of the province. We鈥檙e having an international symposium, now, and we鈥檝e got 16 countries touring that facility. Everybody around the world is looking at carbon capture as a method of storage.

鈥淚t was an expensive project, but at the end of the day, it鈥檚 all part of the solution in terms of reducing your carbon emissions.

鈥淎s far as the carbon tax is concerned, I was the attorney-general mounting the legal challenge to the carbon tax. I can tell you, from a constitutional perspective, we鈥檝e got a pretty good legal case against the federal government. Between my ministry, and the Ministry of the Enviroment, I can tell you we鈥檇 have a very, very good case. If the federal government carbon tax is about emissions, I think this province has made some pretty good commitments in terms of carbon emissions. If it鈥檚 about the redistribution of wealth, and that鈥檚 exactly what it鈥檚 about, then that doesn鈥檛 play in this province. It will have a devastating effect on the economy, and we need to do what we can to stop it,鈥 Wyant said.

In summation, he said, 鈥淭he energy industry in this province is one of the lifebloods of Saskatchewan. We need to, as a government, make sure we have policies in place that not only ensure successful industry, but make sure safeguards are in place to make sure the public is protected as well.鈥

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